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What EPIRB/GPS PLB are you using?
May 31st, 2010 at 9:58pm
 
Hello,
Our school has decided to update our EPIRB/GPS PLB for our Outdoor Ed program. I have recently experienced first hand the limitations of sat phones, and this has not helped my general paranoia with regards to safety and risk management in my program. Anyhow I’m considering buying the ‘SPOT 2’ PLB as it allows for a range of messages to be sent and not just “calling international rescue”!
If you have used the ‘Spot 2’ or use a different GPS PLB, I would be very grateful for any advice.
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Reply #1 - Jun 1st, 2010 at 8:38am
 
Well, a mate of mine had to use a GME MT410G (GPS equipped) and it worked great. Chopper pilot said it was extremely accurate.
No messages though, it's all or nothing.
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Reply #2 - Jun 1st, 2010 at 9:29am
 
Good to see you're upgrading Wink My thinking is that if a sat phone doesn't work due to no service, then a GPS/EPIRB won't get reception either...
I am getting a couple of 'Spots' for the students in the course. Will provide feedback in July once tested in the high plains.
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Reply #3 - Jun 1st, 2010 at 12:44pm
 
The PLB will work with very little reception as it just transmits a very short message, and it will keep trying this for 24hrs (a proper epirb will try for 48hrs). The problem I had with the sat phone is that even if you have a signal it has to be strong enough to have a clear conversation, and keep the signal long enough for you to convey the message. I believe the PLB can get the message away quickly and without the problem of voice clarity. I look forward to seeing how well they work in your program.

I'm sure the nerds will love the tracking. My boss will be able to have an electonic dog tag on me whilst on a hike..........I wonder if I could hide them in students packs???
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Reply #4 - Jun 1st, 2010 at 3:15pm
 
Last year I had a student use the Spot as his backup communication device for his honours project which was riding from Perth to Melbourne on a Unicycle.  When in areas of phone reception he used his phone to checkin with his support crew and then when that ran out across the centre he used the I'm OK function on the Spot which meant we had a daily update of his location.  He had no problems getting a message out but it is a big flat environment. It was really handy in that situation to let people know that he was ok however didn't get a chance to explore the emergency functions (luckily).

I can see their use for people working alone in remote areas, eg lightweight, when carrying all the toys is not an option.  You wouldn't have to want to rely on just a sat phone.  I'm sure this segment of the market will improve over the next few years including the inclusion of 2 way communication. There is a real market for remote area workers having deadman systems and something like a satellite messenger is ideal let alone possible solutions for groups like the CFA, SES.

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Reply #5 - Jun 5th, 2010 at 11:36am
 
Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond. It look likes the spots is the go.
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Reply #6 - Jun 9th, 2010 at 10:49am
 
Spoke too soon

The next stage of the Spot evolution

http://gearjunkie.com/delorme-spot-test
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Reply #7 - Jun 9th, 2010 at 7:10pm
 
To Cool................yep, I want one of those ones now!
Soon they will take photos and play music?
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Reply #8 - Jun 13th, 2010 at 11:17am
 
Some more info here:
Delorme's Press release

and here:
SPOT's press release

and here:
Press release for the Teva Mountain Games

and still more from thier blog (not much interesting in there though, all about release and delivery dates and memory etc):
http://blog.delorme.com/2010/05/14/important-product-release-news/

and yet another one (this one was more helpful):
http://blog.delorme.com/2010/01/19/pn-60w-and-spot-communicator-question-and-ans...
It seems the GPS unit has wireless to communicate with the SPOT unit so the GPS unit allows you to compose the text messages and they are sent via the SPOT unit. You can't as far as I can tell recieve messages to either unit so it doesn't mean you can get rid of the sat phone for scheds if you want to recieve weather information... bummer  Cry

So not as cool as I first though, basically it seems the SPOT only transmits and the GPS is only able to send text messages via the SPOT (so you have to have both), the SPOT 'SOS' reportedly works when the GPS unit is down. There's no ability to receive messages at all.
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Reply #9 - Jun 13th, 2010 at 9:48pm
 
I use a GME/Standard Communications MT410G.  The seller should register it with the appropriate Commonwealth authority.  So must you.

ART wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 3:15pm:
Last year I had a student use the Spot as his backup communication device for his honours project which was riding from Perth to Melbourne on a Unicycle. 


1. What a absolute farce of the education system.  Honours for a clown's trick?

2. You/your student/your education facility/your employer/your insurer were displaying paranoia.  Many people have cycled solo across the Nullabor, via the highway and the remoter railway service road prior to the popularity of EPIRB-type systems.

Quick story, FWIW.  I realised that my EPLB and VHF radio were not working moments before setting out alone from Deal to Hogan Island.  (The former had a hairline crack in it.)  I went anyway.  After 3 nights stuck on Hogan, I then paddled direct to Port Welshpool.  Next day, on expiry of my nominated SARtime lodged with Gippsland water police courtesy of Bairnsdale police station, they rang me as I drove home.
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Reply #10 - Jun 14th, 2010 at 5:35pm
 
Wollemi wrote on Jun 13th, 2010 at 9:48pm:
1. What a absolute farce of the education system.  Honours for a clown's trick?

2. You/your student/your education facility/your employer/your insurer were displaying paranoia.  Many people have cycled solo across the Nullabor, via the highway and the remoter railway service road prior to the popularity of EPIRB-type systems.



Wollemi, what a disappointment.  Here was a nice topic with people sharing information on a new technology and you have to take on a critical and judgemental tone that is not really that helpful. 

Clowns don't generally have to write 40 000 words on riding a unicycle, now to judge the value of crossing a continent on a unicycle probably worth giving the guy the benefit of the doubt until you've read his thesis or had a chat to him at the very least.  Not gonna cure cancer but in a field dominated by qualitative research I've seen less substantive exercises in research.

As for the paranoia, risk management these days may seem that way.  As we are all aware our society is becoming selectively risk averse. Real and perceived risk is a tricky balance and if you read some of the risk perception literature you will see that most of it is as accurate as reading entrails of small furry animals.  I am aware that my risk perception is flawed as is any person and what I am doing for my organisation is doing the best I can from the knowledge that I have and complying to legislation, etc.  Hopefully between a bunch of us working together we can get pretty close.  I've gotta say, out of any organisation I've worked for I feel well supported with access to world leaders in safety research, specialised safety consultants, an insurance consultant and direct access to a solicitor.  This is what you get when you work for a large organisation, which I've gotta say is very rare in this industry.  Then again it is a large bureaucracy.

For under a couple of hundred dollars having a small device can save you thousands of dollars in damage caused by a bad reputation.  Most people are aware here that a single device does not make you safe but may prove itself a valuable tool when needed.  As you demonstrated with your story maintaining a redundancy of management is probably the ideal and in your case it worked well. 

Thankyou for reminding us that we have that backup of local authorities, who love it when they know someone is out there.  4 years ago I was at an industry conference when one of the Police Rescue team encouraged a room full of people to call them as soon as you know something is going wrong rather than waiting to see if you can solve it yourself.  You can always tell them later that you have everything under control and they will be happy to go home knowing that no one was hurt.

I hope we can continue this in a positive tone and share more of the experience in this new technology.  Like it or not we will all be challenged by this technology change and what is acceptable risk to our clients and ourselves.

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Reply #11 - Sep 28th, 2010 at 11:46am
 
Here it is, the next generation.  I stumbled over this today on the web.

http://www.roamingtech.com.au/products/category/gps-tracking-solutions/gps-perso...

I can see a bit of value in having this as a backup device to receive the weather warnings and messages from home.  Send the once every 24hour message that you are ok. 

Still pricey but I can see us getting closer.

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Reply #12 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 2:55pm
 
BTW SPOT is not a PLB it's a satellite messenging device - so named as it is not an "all or nothing" device like a PLB. I Our guides carry one on all tours.

Our guides carry: SPOT, sat phone, cell phone, GPS (Garmin eTrex Vista hCX) compass and real paper maps Smiley

We use SPOT primarily so we can track our groups in the field from the office and for guides to request non-urgent assistance thereby keeping minor emergencies in house, good practice.

We also very occasionally sell SPOT so know something about it: as it works on a different chipset to sat phones your SPOT will often work where sat phones cannot get a signal, a handy detail to know and one overlooked by many. It does not work over the whole planet, only most of it - we don't run tours to the arcitic or Antarctic, well, not yet anyway. And it does what an PLB does as well, so better value for money.
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Reply #13 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 1:28pm
 
The SPOT works on the same sat system as sattelite phones, so their use in hilly country, river etc is not 100%. This info is direct from Next Destination the Aussie Distributor.

Ive just come back from Tassie after completing a remote river trip down the Denison and we took a sat phone and PLB, the MT410G GME unit. Kept it in my pfd quite comfortably for the whole trip. We hired it off GPSOZ. only $5.00 a day + postage charges. They register it in our name with craft type etc. It was deifinitely worth carrying considering the total lack of overland escape routes for basically the whole trip if one of us sustained a serious injury.
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Reply #14 - Jun 14th, 2011 at 6:55am
 
Here it is. The next generation. You can now update your facebook via sat or even better send and recieve sms and email.

http://gearjunkie.com/delorme-inreach-satellite-gps-communicator

Hopefully this will see the end of carrying sat phones for alot of programs.
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